The Firmware Page

Folks,

Now you can save your time on ripping DVDs with DVR-105!!

Get the firmaware package from the following link,
http://pioneervd.rpc1.org/DVR-105 v1.30 - RPC-1 + 2xDVD-R + 12xRip.zip

As the filename represents, this is based on >NIL: and Gradius's version 1.30 w/RPC1+2x4all.

>NIL:, Gradius, depl0y
I appreciate all your hard work on cracking this nuts.

For Japanese folks, current upgdvd.exe packed in the frimware pkg may not allow you to overwrite existing version of your ver1.30 based firmware, in that case, please downgrade your firmware first by using method well-described in http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?t=12265! or wait for a day until another version of upgdvd.exe which works fine on Japanese locale gets packaged.

Enjoy! 8)

It's not clear from zaitec2's post, but he is really the one you should thank for busting the 2x rip speed limitation, coz he's the one who found out about it.

Congratulations zaitec2!!!

I will add the patched upgdvd.exe in the downloads from my site later on...

zaitec2, thanks a lot!!!

You did great on this one! It really works perfectly.

Will update the FAQ ofcourse

Installed. BIG THANKS to zaitec2 for cracking this!

Here are the extraction rates I observed in DVD Decrypter:

Format: rate (disc used for test)
DVD-9: 5.7x ("U-571")
DVD-5: 5.8x (Chris Rock "Bigger and Blacker")
DVD-R: 2.1x (Princo 1x @ 2x copy of "Jackass")
DVD-R: 2.1x (Princo 1x @ 2x copy of "Monsters, Inc.")

The only one I found interesting was the DVD-R extraction rate. I was seeing 2.1x on DVD-R (as well as all other DVD formats) before flashing to this version. Might there still be a limitation on DVD-R extraction speed, or is it just coincidence that I'm still hitting 2.1x?

BTW, DVD Decrypter quoted a time of ~12min for the DVD-9 and DVD-5 for a "movie file only" rip. Hell of a lot better than the ~40min times I was seeing before! Thanks a lot for doing this.

Wow!

THX for this, works really good ! But, like James, I only get higher Rip Rates for DVD-ROMs. With DVD-R's I do not get over 2.1x ...

Nice work!

Greetings

James92TSi,Passi,
Thank you for posting report.


Yes, we are aware of this. This'll be a next thing to work.

Gee, I'm tired to repeat the same thing over and over.
Ask anybody what rip speed they get with ANY DVD drive (not only DVR's), and they will tell you that recorded rip speed is much lower than original media. You just can't expect the same reading speed on recorded and pressed media!!!

Pressed media will ALWAYS read much faster because it is much easier for the drive to notice the transition from or to a gap on the track, due to a higher reflection coefficient.

With recorded media, the reflection is much lower (about 30% or less), hence the drive has a harder time finding out the transitions, hence you get a higher error rate and to compensate for that, the drive HAS TO reduce its speed.

The same happens when you are trying to read pressed DVD's that are dirty or have scratches. The drive WILL reduce its readout speed until it manages to find the speed at which it reads a medium best.

On recorded media, this often means 4x or 2x.
You have the same issue with older CD-ROM drives and recorded CD's.
Ever tried to rip an Audio CD that was recorded on a CD-RW?

Hopefully, technology evolves and makes readout of recorded media faster, but if you think a patch will magically improve rip speed on recorded media, you're in for a big disappointment.

And I have to strongly disagree with zaitec2 on that one.
Anybody wants to try to rip DVD-R/RW on 16x or more DVD-ROM drives and report the speed they get? I'm ready to bet you won't get more than 4x...

I understand that there are limitations to the read speed of recorded media vs. that of pressed. I don't expect DVD-R speeds to approach that of DVD-5. (In fact, published specs for the 105 are 12x, 8x, and 6x max for DVD-5, -9, and -R/RW respectively).

I simply thought it was odd that DVD-R was still being read at 2.1x, the exact same speed at which DVD-5, -9, and -R were being read before the new firmware. Just based on the numbers, I thought the question was worth asking.

Believe me, I am EXTREMELY grateful for the work you guys have been doing with the 105. Earlier I was posting about how it would be "a very happy day" when the rip speed limit was removed. You guys have done great things to improve the functionality of the 105, and the last thing I want to do is be perceived as a whiner.

Nice..

A big Thank you goes out to >NIL: & zaitec2.


well i did not get *edit* 12x,*end edit* but heres a few screenies. This was the Supplements disc for Fear and Loathing in las vegas. Note: This cd has never been touched nor taken out off the case. This was the first time its ever been used. so the surface was Very clean.. it did take awhile, i watched it climb .1 on and on and thought i had better get the screenies before it got to the end and only had small files to go..




sorry about posting the pics, its just anyone can say it was ripping at that speed. i just wanted to actualy show it so people do see that you 2 have definitaly broken the 2x rip barrier.. THANK YOU FOR THIS FIRMWARE RELEASE!

Let me play my Spock here, coz there is a very logical explaination to that.
The fact that you get the same speed as the previous limit is not odd. It is because the DVD speeds that the DVR-105 use can only be one of 1x, 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x and 12x. Apart from the discrepancies linked to CAV (which is why your rip speed gets higher when you're nearing the outer edge) and the ones linked to cross-jumps between these speeds, the drive only ever uses one of this speed factor at any time.

Now, what the drive does on a pressed media (and this happens as soon as you insert a disc in the drive => you won't see it in the ripper) is to try to read at max speed. If it can't, then it reduces the speed to 8x, 4x and so forth...
With recorded media, it seems the Pioneer didn't achieve proper reading at 4x or more, so the speed has to come down to 2x... which is exactly what it was set to be with the limitation. Therefore you get the same results as before with DVD-R/RW because you are using the exact same speed as before.

2x for DVD-R readout appears slow (in fact I am a bit surprise that they couldn't achieve at least 4x), but the fact that, despite having mastered 16x speed for DVD-ROM drive for a long time, the DVR-105 is still only 12x Max is a good indication that Pioneer must have had some issues with high speed on their burner.
This tends to corroborate what I am saying about low burned media readout speed...

Very good news!

Is there a chance for other Pioneer burners?

On this way i want to thank >NIL: , Gradius and zaitec2 for their [*Profanity*] good work on patching the firmware and their time they spent on this project

Are the DVR-103 / DVR-104 limited?
Coz I believe it was found out that they were not.
What's the max speed you reach on a brand new clean single layer pressed (as opposed to burned) DVD with SmartRipper?

Unless it is less than 4x (And I have to insist: on a brand new clean single layer pressed DVD with SmartRipper), the drive is probably not limited

ARGH.

Just 2 days after I spent $30 on a "ripping" drive.

Well, it's probably still slightly faster than the 105, or I can put it in the parents' computer which has an ancient Creative DVD that can't read -R/RW discs.

Thanks! Now I don't have to deal with 3 drives in my system. (Well, two plus the 105 is going into a 1394 enclosure when the enclosure arrives. - I want to get my fast CD-R drive back in there ASAP, burning CDs at only 16x is slooow!

My A05 came with a note saying that 2x DVD-R media will be read at 2x CLV, while 4x can be read up to 6x CAV...My 116 I believe reads both at 6x CAV if I understand the graph correctly...

edit: of course by 2x I meant 1x & 2x...in other words not the new standard 4x media...

As for A03/04, I did try to rip a disc at my friend once, and as I remember I was a bit dissapointed with ripping speed. Don't remember how fast it was though...

That's about the only way it makes sense to me too.. must be some issue that keeps them from getting 16x read into the burners.


Ahh, now it starts to make sense... I have a Cendyne 105, and there was no such note in the box (however it did come with a nifty 8-page leaflet on how to install an internal IDE drive!). Thanks for the info.

will this firmware work with the DVR-A05?

DVR-A05 is DVR-105.

never mind, it works.

tomorrow I'm gonna get a DVR-105 for my my Shuttle XPC; rip and copy DVDs with new program DVDshrink. And it's gonna be fast and fun thanks to your new firmware. Thanks alot humans!

This may be what you mean by 4x, but with Lite-on 165, I get about 3.78 CAV (8.9 on the end) with Princo 1x media. The line in DVD Speed is usually completely flawless, even when burned on 2x. A few (probably less than 10%) drop to half the speed after 4 GB.

Just for reference...

I can get 12x ripping speed on DVD-R medias with LG DRD-8160B DVD-ROM 16x drive.

Gradius

There you have it... Why would Pioneer put a note if it wasn't an actual physical limitation of the drive? (no, I won't get into the debate ""But they did limit rip speed and there was no reason for it"... You should be able to guess why I am saying what I am saying by yourself)

Of course, we should be able to experiment with higher speed to see what the actual problem might be. Are you busy these days, Gradius?

>NIL:.

I don't believe 12x ripping speed for A05/105 drive would be an issue, this depends a lot from which CPU and other components (including step motors) was used on it and if they really can break 12x mark.

12x speed for DVD-ROM makes a lot sense since this drive can archieve until 24x for CDs (ripping speed too). For me this isn't an issue, but the real max this drive can offer (or perform).

Now only 2x for DVD-R/RW medias must be another limitation on firmware for sure, since I can perform over 6x (using these medias) in any DVD-ROM drive I have here.

Gradius

I ripped a 2.5GB PS2 game in 4min 30sec, is that good? I was using Nero.

It seemed to rip at around 10X, hanging between 8,000k/s and 11,000k/s.

If this is the case, we can settle another project right?