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Post subject: Official KiSS Region Free topic.  Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 3:57 pm |
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This topic should be linked to my KiSS DP-450/500 region free page.
For the one that doesn't know, KiSS is a Dannish company wich made first standalone DivX player. And I hacked the DVD firmware to make it region free.
Nag all you want in here  . This should take off pressure on my inbox. I hope  .
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:11 pm |
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Anybody tried the lastest firmware from Kiss - version 2.6.4. How does it affect the region free status of the player?
Many Thanks
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:32 pm |
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Should work fine. As far as I know only 2.6.0 had this disabled. I wonder what was wrong with 2.6.3 that they removed it...
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Poulpy
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:41 pm |
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brainbox_2k wrote: Anybody tried the lastest firmware from Kiss - version 2.6.4. How does it affect the region free status of the player?
It works fine even after a full update of the firmware.
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Post subject: Best firmware for the Toshiba 1712 Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:50 pm |
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What's the best firmware for the Toshiba SD-M1712 DVD-ROM drive integrated in my KISS DP-450 ?
I have already flashed it once with the X004 one but I have just noticed the XK02 one on Hijacker's page.
Does it affect the max read speed because I find the drive is a bit noisy when playing Divx/Xvid encoded movies on CDs?
Thanks,
Poulpy.
Edit: Removed the link to the wrong firmware.
Last edited by Poulpy on Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Hijacker
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 1:24 pm |
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Best firmware is ORIGINAL firmware.
Didn't you read the warning?
ALL FIRMWARES ARE SPEED REDUCED!
Max read speed of plain CDs is 16x and max DVD read speed is set to 2x!
PCDVD USERS, DO NOT FLASH YOUR TOSHIBA DRIVES WITH THIS FIRMWARES!
And original firmwares are the 1KXX series.
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Poulpy
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:16 pm |
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Hijacker wrote: Best firmware is ORIGINAL firmware.
Didn't you read the warning?
ALL FIRMWARES ARE SPEED REDUCED!
Max read speed of plain CDs is 16x and max DVD read speed is set to 2x!
PCDVD USERS, DO NOT FLASH YOUR TOSHIBA DRIVES WITH THIS FIRMWARES!
And original firmwares are the 1KXX series.
I think you didn't understand my question, so I'll reformulate it:
Considering less noise is better, which one of the XK02 or X004 firmware is best for the DVD-ROM drive inside the KISS DP-450 ?
And I am only talking about the XKxx ones because region free is mandatory for me.
Thanks again.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:34 pm |
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?!? What the hell are you talking about?
You've got it all mixed up...
X004 is patched Toshiba SD-M1712 firmware for PCDVD drives.
XK02 is patched KiSS DR-1712 firmware for drives INSIDE KiSS component.
2.6.4 is the laster firmware FOR THE KiSS COMPONENT ITSELF!
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Poulpy
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 5:06 pm |
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Hijacker wrote: 2.6.4 is the laster firmware FOR THE KiSS COMPONENT ITSELF!
Please don't be rude, I know the difference between this firmware and those of the DVD drive itself...
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 5:58 pm |
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Poulpy wrote: Hijacker wrote: ALL FIRMWARES ARE SPEED REDUCED! Considering less noise is better, which one of the XK02 or X004 firmware is best for the DVD-ROM drive inside the KISS DP-450 ? And I am only talking about the XKxx ones because region free is mandatory for me. Thanks again. Why do you mix X004 firmware into this? 1KXX are the KiSS original firmware for the Toshiba drive inside the KiSS component. They are speed recuded wich leeds to LOW noise...
I told you at the first reply I gave to you that the best ones is original firmware. So why confusing people who will read this topic even more?
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:52 am |
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Hijacker wrote: Why do you mix X004 firmware into this? 1KXX are the KiSS original firmware for the Toshiba drive inside the KiSS component. They are speed recuded wich leeds to LOW noise...
I told you at the first reply I gave to you that the best ones is original firmware. So why confusing people who will read this topic even more?
Ok, sorry for the confusion 
Yesterday evening, I verified which firmware I flashed my KISS drive with back in december, and guess what it's the X004 one - which is the wrong one. It worked but made my drive noisy while playing CDs because it was not speed reduced.
That why I flashed it again with the XK02 and the drive does not make noise anymore 
Again, sorry. But at least this thread may provide some help for others maybe in the same situation.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:55 am |
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That is it's purpose...
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:06 pm |
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I knew it! The posts from Poulpy will just confuse people even more... Here is an email I got today by mail from Mr. Björn.
Quote: Hello Mr Hijacker =) , i've been reading your forum and i have a question! what firmware should i use for my Kiss DP-450 , the one i found at - http://hijacker.rpc1.com/kiss/files/DR1712_XK02.zipor the one i found at - http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_file.php?site= ... 2_X004.zipthe X004 is newer. But since you have a different version in your Kiss section it makes me hecitate to wich one i should use! Ps , it IS a 1712 drive that i have =). I'll explain again and hope there will be no more questions about it.
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KiSS RPC-1 page. It's located here. Main firmware page is here. Do NOT mix them. KiSS page has nothing to do with main firmware page. It's something completly diffrent. Just now I asked >NIL: to make my own subdomain. So the KiSS page will from now one also be avaible on the address http://kiss.rpc1.org.
Firmwares:
If you don't know yet, KiSS is a standalone home component wich has nothing to do with PC. I've explained several times why I got interested in it. Because for the Toshiba drive inside it. It's the same as the drives they sell for regular CDs. The ONLY diffrence between them is the firmware. This lines now are important:
For PCDVD (drives you buy and put in your desktop PC) it uses Toshiba original firmwares named 10XX where XX is any number. Patched RPC-1 version of this firmware is X004 (we change the first name of the firmware name so that you can clearly see it's patched).
For KiSS Toshiba drives (drives that KiSS puts inside their components) it uses KiSS firmwares wich was special made by Toshiba for KiSS company. The firmware can be identified by the name. They start with 1KXX where XX is any number.
The main and only diffrence between them that I know off is the read speed of the DVD and read speed of the CD media. For the 10XX firmwares it reads the data CD at max speed 48x while for 1KXX it read at max 16x speed. This is made because of the NOISE wich drive produces while playing. Lower the speed lower the noise.
To conclude. Use KiSS firmwares from my KiSS page. The ones starting with 1KXX.
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Post subject: Kiss DP-450and DivX 3.11 Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:11 pm |
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Newsflash
a new firmware will be out within 4 weeks so the DP-450 WILL play DivX 3.11
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 6:24 pm |
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I have a quick question about the speed reductions, actually...
Are the drives actually capable of doing 48x given the correct firmware? (mine is a 1712) the reason I ask is that occasionally I want to play a divx file where a section exceeds 3Mbit/s... however, if the max read speed of the drive is 16x it cannot play these sections at full speed and lags until the bitrate is reduced.
Obviously it's anoying to have to put a bitrate cap on divx files, so actually allowing the dvd drive to play at 48x would be great. Is this possible and do you think it would solve the playback difficulty?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 6:30 pm |
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Yes. 1712 with 1004 firmware can do 48x max read speed...
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:49 pm |
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Just a quick warning with firmware 2.6.4. - You cannot revert back the earlier firmware versions!! The remote control stops working and the only way to make it work again is to flash back to 2.6.4. using the set top box itself. I tried to revert back to earlier firmware because I cannot use the search function with Xvid files - the picture jumps and the sound loses its sync with the picture. But I guess I am stuck with version 2.6.4.!!!!!!!!!!
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:34 pm |
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I own a DVD+ burner and the Kiss DP-450 and DP-500 only supports DVD-. I presume it is because of the Toshiba drive. Is it posible to replace the Toshiba drive with an other IDE DVD-ROM drive that supports both DVD+ and DVD- like a Liteon drive for instance, or would the Kiss player not work then?
Thank you
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:52 pm |
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Toshiba can read + and -. Tested it myself.
You could also replace the Toshiba with whatever you want. Should work but it will be LOUD.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 5:29 pm |
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Hijacker wrote: Toshiba can read + and -. Tested it myself.
You could also replace the Toshiba with whatever you want. Should work but it will be LOUD.
Does that mean that the Kiss players can read both + and - (or is it only the Toshiba drive itself in a PC)? If yes, does that count for both DP-450 and DP-500 and all of the different Toshiba drives that Kiss uses for these players? Hope the question is not to dumb I would really like to know.
Thank you
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 5:40 pm |
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This topic is more and more becoming a Hijackers KiSS Support section wich I am not...
Buy a DVD+R. Buy a DVD-R. Burn them. Try them. I tried and works. It was a Toshiba SD-M1612 revB with 1K00 firmware in a DP-500 model. All this you could have got from my KiSS page.
On the KiSS page under DP-450 FAQ you could have seen this:
KiSS on their page wrote: Q: What recordable media’s are supported by KiSS DP-450 ?
A: CD-R (74 min + 80 min), CD-RW (74 min + 80 min), DVD-R , DVD-RW are supported by DP-450. This means that DVD+R and DVD+RW are not supported.
Now you go an beleive whoever you want.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:47 pm |
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Hi all,
I just upgraded my DP-500 to 2.6.5, and now the 2-7-6 hidden menu only has an option for SCART. 
I haven't tried flashing the DVD drive yet as I only received the player this morning. I also see that PC-Link only serves avi's, it doesn't like mpegs. Even if I force the dialog to take an mpeg file (the mpeg works fine if I burn to a plain dvd), the DVD player says its invalid.
Its a damn nice player tho, so Im hoping for an update to 2.6.5 that will enable the hidden menu.
I like the web radio stuff tho!
Oh, one last thing for Hijacker, you mention in pasrt 1 of the step by step instructions that you can play any region disk after playing a disk for the correct region, I've not been able to do that. Am I missing something?
Cheers
Nasdaq
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:51 pm |
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What I ment was that you need to set a region before flashing to region free firmware.
Aslo the hidden region selection option will apper after the component detect that the Toshiba drive is region free...
Follow the instructions next time.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:54 pm |
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> Aslo the hidden region selection option will apper after the component detect that the Toshiba drive is region free...
Ta Hijacker, thanks for the info. You might want to update your page with that info in case other noobs like me get caught by it.
> Follow the instructions next time.
Yes sir! Thought I had sir! 
Cheers
Nasdaq
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:25 pm |
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Quote: 9./ The KiSS guys made your life much easier with possibility to unlock the software and you should be really gratefull since not all manufacturers give this option to the users. To unlock it completely, press the folowing combination on your KiSS remote control:
(Open - Clear - 2 - 7 - 6 - Enter)
This will enable another menu where you can choose the regions and of course there you can choose the All option wich means play them ALL (Image 11)!
Note that this only works if the Toshiba is allready region free. It will not work if the software reads from the drive that it's still RPC-2!
It's allready written...
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