Pioneer DVR-110D / DVR-110/A10/100/610

chef · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:13 am

Seems that they will be available soon, at least in europe.

Announced Specs:

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sergio_fucchi · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:34 am

Not yet Blue-Ray for Pioneer.....

Puma · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:11 pm

blue-ray was never an option for the new 110, maybe later down the line we may see it

chef · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:12 pm

They already announced that the follow-up drive to the 110 will be a Blue-Ray drive.

Bartman@mash · **Joined:** Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:37 pm **Posts:** 30

The new NEC ND-4550A, slips in with a better spec:

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Basic Specifications:

Write:

DVD+R 16x
DVD+R DL 8x
DVD+RW 8x
DVD-R 16x
DVD-R DL 6x
DVD-RW 8x
DVD-RAM 16x
CD-R 48x
CD-RW 32x

Read:

DVD-ROM 16x
DVD+/-R 16x
DVD+/-R DL 7x
DVD+/-RW 12x
DVD-RAM 16x
CD-R 48x
CD-RW 40x

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Both ND-4550A and slim-type ND-7550A DVD burners will also support the LightScribe media labeling feature. 

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The ND-4550A is scheduled to hit shelves this September.

I will wait till September :lol:

Bart

Cantankerous · **Joined:** Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:25 pm **Posts:** 352

this is a next to nothing upgrade from the 109.

Puma · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:49 pm

that's manufacturers for you, they releases drives all the time with little or no difference, look how many liteon drives there are

Bartman@mash · **Joined:** Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:37 pm **Posts:** 30

It the 16x RAM thats the interesting bit on the NEC 4550a ........
CD-R/RW is still a lot faster than a Pioneer.

Will DVD-RAM make a come back?????

Bart

chef · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:35 pm

DVD-RAM got pushed since a while ago, now it seems it will make some kind of breaktrough in the mass-market. Seriously only LG, Hitachi and Toshiba supported DVD-RAM really so far.

As for the speeds/specs info. I could present you specs now for a drive that will be released in 1/2006 and you'd go crazy afterwards.
Honestly, -R DL at 8x and DVD-RW 8x will be only possible AFTER they have been officially finalized and Pioneer (c)would be of course the first company supporting and using it. :wink:

klui · **Joined:** Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:06 pm **Posts:** 14

I was ready to buy a 109/A09 but stopped because Pioneer finalized -R9 as DVD-R instead of DVD-ROM. I wonder how the 110/A10 will finalize -R9 and bitset +R9 (and +/-R|RW).

Cantankerous · **Joined:** Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:25 pm **Posts:** 352

I bet the same as the 109. +R/+RW will get nothing, +R DL will be DVD-ROM and -R DL will be DVD-R. I wonder about DVD-RAM though? Can that be bitsetting or is there even a need to?

chef · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:18 pm

Cantankerous wrote:

I wonder about DVD-RAM though? Can that be bitsetting or is there even a need to?

I doubt there is something like Bitsetting for DVD-RAM. Would make not much sense, DVD-RAM is mainly all about data storage. :wink:

Cantankerous · **Joined:** Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:25 pm **Posts:** 352

well im looking forward to DVD-RAM support as I have never used it before but it could be beneficial. I just hope the A10 firmware can be flashed to the OEM 110D drives like the 109 for quietdrive/riplock removed functionality. Heck I hope there is a third party with bitsetting as well.

LasVegas · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:32 am

You can expect pretty much the same features available in the DVR-110 as the DVR-109 with slightly higher speeds. The hardware between the two are almost identical. The changes appear to be more geared more toward power and/or durability then enhancements.

Puma · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:36 pm

according to an online retailer, the 110 is due mid august, and here in the uk its got a pre-order price of 38.99 uk pounds, which is not bad

IonNuke · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:19 pm

I don't think investing in DVD-RAM is too beneficial. I might be good to get to read those things but alot of the old DVD-RAM drives required the data to be written to the RAM disk in a caddie. And once you remove the disk from the caddie you can't put the disk back into the caddie to write to it some more. Or when I did that it never worked. I'm guessing since LG stuck to the Super Multi Drives, the drives can write to the DVD-RAM disks without the caddies.

Still either way if you look at it the DVD-RAM disks are hella expensive and the 5.2GB disks are reasonable. The 4.7 and 9.4GB disks still cost a good hunk of money.

The odd valued DVD-RAM disks are used through flipping through side A and B like the double sided DVD-R media (9.4GB). All and all I think the only good thing about DVD-RAM is that Windows XP Home/Professional natively supports that and all you need to do is impliment the drag and drop routine to get your data written to the disks.

chef · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:55 pm

IonNuke wrote:

All and all I think the only good thing about DVD-RAM is that Windows XP Home/Professional natively supports that and all you need to do is impliment the drag and drop routine to get your data written to the disks.

Are you sure?!?

IonNuke · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:38 pm

Yeah, my mom's old computer I put in a Toshiba SD-2002W 2x DVD-RAM drive and under "My Computer" is shows up as DVD-RAM drive.

Then you just pop the DVD-RAM disks (with caddie version) into the drive and windows will take a few seconds initializing and then I am able to write and delete data off the disks.

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Native Support for DVDs and CDs
Recent advances in storage technology have made it easier and more affordable to work with CDs and DVDs. Windows XP introduces native support for reading and writing to DVD-RAM drives and can read Universal Disk Format (UDF) 2.01, the common standard for DVD media, including DVD-ROM discs and DVD videos. (In contrast, Windows 2000 can only read UDF 1.02

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chef · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:10 am

Thanks IonNuke!
Didn't know that because have had not much to do with DVD-RAM so far. But could be changing with all that RAM-capable drives coming out in the near future...

forkndave · **Joined:** Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:31 am **Posts:** 2

I have an LG GSA-4163B and after I installed a DVD-RAM driver the discs act just like a hard drive, although a pretty slow one. I can drag and drop files and delete them just like with a hard drive. I have Windows XP Pro and it wouldn't do this until I installed the DVD-RAM driver. Windows would only format them as FAT 32 instead of the UDF format that's required for this sort of use. I used to have a set top Panasonic DVD recorder that would use DVD-RAM. I could record movies on these discs, but they could only be played back on the Panasonic or my computer. To make the movie usefull I would have to use TMPGEnc DVD Author to convert it to standard DVD format and record it to a DVD+/-R. This was more trouble generally than it was worth.

Cantankerous · **Joined:** Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:25 pm **Posts:** 352

was the DVD-RAM driver specific to your make and model of drive or generic? Just wondering what to expect if I do get a 110.

IonNuke · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:12 pm

I think there's a generic DVD-RAM driver that's built into WinXP Pro so that it lets all DVD-RAM drives run the UDF 2.01 spec and it just generally allows you to record to the media as if you were using something close to Adaptec's Direct CD dealy.

chef · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:17 pm

Yep, that sound like an logical explanation.

Anyway, some more news about the new Pioneer DVR drives?

OK, the 110D drives should hit the stores this week. The 110 drives will follow approx. 5 weeks later.

110D (bulk/OEM version) in 3 variants:
110D > beige
110D-BK > black
110D-SV > silver

110/A10 (retail drives with 5x DVD-RAM write-support) in 2 or more variants:
110 > beige
110-BK > black

That's all for now. :wink:

Cantankerous · **Joined:** Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:25 pm **Posts:** 352

oh man so we have to wait another 5 weeks to get the drive with RAM support? That is stupid that the D is the lower grade model without RAM support, you would think it is the opposite. I also find it wonky that the 110 has silver but the full D version doesn't.

I wondering if you could get the Silver 110 without RAM support and flash it to the A10 to allow full RAM support plus rip lock removed etc. Anyone brave enough to try it out?

chef · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:17 am

Cantankerous wrote:

I wondering if you could get the Silver 110 without RAM support and flash it to the A10 to allow full RAM support plus rip lock removed etc. Anyone brave enough to try it out?

Yeah, that model name scheme... :roll:

As for the crossflashing, surely someone will try that out when a flasher support the drive(s).
The extra 5 weeks are most likely required by the Pioneer engineers to complete all the tests about DVD-RAM.
Surely the main focus is by now on all the other formats/firmware. :wink:

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