THE PIONEER DVR-x08 THREAD/FAQ (26/OCT/04)

ukendt · **Joined:** Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:04 pm **Posts:** 203

in other words they are Ritek...
I'll stick to Verbatim then, they are playing fine in 2 of my stand alone

>NIL: · **Posted:** Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:10 pm

philco, your comment has been moved to the anything you like section in this thread. If you want to express your views on that matter, post a reply in this new thread.

Master Goo, because it followed philco's your post had to be split as well, and is now appearing in it's own thread here.

ukendt's reply above is a reply to Master Goo's post.

dr-nick-riviera · **Joined:** Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:30 am **Posts:** 228

Another advantage of bitsetting (in addition to the enhanced compatibility on older devices): The reading performance is enormously improved. Take the new Toshiba SD-M 1912 DVD-Rom for example: It supports DVD+ and DVD- officially. Unfortunately, the reading speed is limited to 6x max on these discs. But DVD+Rs with DVD-Rom booktype are read @ full speed.

For most users, bitsetting is a useful and interesting feature. Even users who do not need it at all don't have a disadvantage when the drives supports this additional feature.

I understand Nil's view on this matter - I am annoyed by the drive manufacturers' lack of support.

NEC is still the worst. They have released only 1 (!) single firmware update for the ND-2500. And all media which are not supported by the firmware are written @2,4x/2x.

My question is: How is the media support of the Piodata firmware? How fast can media be recorded if they are not supported by the firmware?

evilvoice · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:08 am **Posts:** 15

has anyone tried DVDShrink...it always has "Booktype DVD-Rom" checked whenever I burn...does it automatically Booktype the DVD...it may only have that because Im burning on DVD-R...Im just wondering if it is a thing in the drive or in software...(meaning if the drive says it doesnt support it, then the software wont allow it, but if the software forced the drive to do it, if the drive would physically do it or not) I dont have DL media to test...and why isnt there any -R DL media? All I see are +R...I know that prolly seems a newbie question...just trying to understand.

ukendt · **Joined:** Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:04 pm **Posts:** 203

I didn't notice any difference in speed when I tested with both firmwares, but again I only have 2 kinds of +(see muy post and Verbatim) and 2 kinds of - (Fuji og Ritek G05)

chef · **Posted:** Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:47 pm

evilvoice wrote:

has anyone tried DVDShrink...it always has "Booktype DVD-Rom" checked whenever I burn...does it automatically Booktype the DVD...

DVDShrink has no burning engine.
It uses Nero or DVDDecrypter, depending on your settings.

McM|Dk · **Joined:** Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:28 am **Posts:** 11

Im wondering if i should try the PIODATA firmware on my 108 ...
I know its risky but bought some + disks that my xbox dont like...

Is it possible to flash back to 108 firmware from the PIODATA firmware?
What could go wrong and can i save my drive?

thanx

Cantankerous · **Joined:** Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:25 pm **Posts:** 352

Yes it is completely possible to flash back. Out of the people who have flashed to the piodata firmware not one has reported any problems with it so you may be lucky. Do me/us a favour and tell me if using that firmware has made the discs useable on your xbox. Thanks.

rugger · **Joined:** Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:22 am **Posts:** 38

evilvoice wrote:

has anyone tried DVDShrink...it always has "Booktype DVD-Rom" checked whenever I burn...does it automatically Booktype the DVD...it may only have that because Im burning on DVD-R...Im just wondering if it is a thing in the drive or in software...(meaning if the drive says it doesnt support it, then the software wont allow it, but if the software forced the drive to do it, if the drive would physically do it or not) I dont have DL media to test...and why isnt there any -R DL media? All I see are +R...I know that prolly seems a newbie question...just trying to understand.

Booktype Bitsetting is only for DVD+R disks. The normal Pioneer firmware does sets the booktype to DVD+R for single layer DVD+R's. The PIODATA firmware sets the booktype to DVD-ROM for single layer DVD+R's. For Dual layer DVD+R's, both firmwares set the booktype to DVD-ROM. It doesn't matter what burning software is used, the firmware will always set the booktype according to this description.

DL DVD-R does not exist yet outside the lab. The pioneer 109 will probably have support for it, and the pioneer 108 probably won't ever get support for it.

If you are burning DVD-R there is no problems with booktype.

rugger · **Joined:** Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:22 am **Posts:** 38

Cantankerous wrote:

Yes it is completely possible to flash back. Out of the people who have flashed to the piodata firmware not one has reported any problems with it so you may be lucky. Do me/us a favour and tell me if using that firmware has made the discs useable on your xbox. Thanks.

Yes, it is completely possible to flash back and forth between the PIODATA and pioneer firmwares. I wouldn't do it every day though, as flashing the firmware kernel is not risk free.

ukendt · **Joined:** Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:04 pm **Posts:** 203

Quote:

Booktype Bitsetting is only for DVD+R disks

Right

Quote:

The normal Pioneer firmware does sets the booktype to DVD+R for single layer DVD+R's

Wrong (but Piodatas does)

Quote:

For Dual layer DVD+R's, both firmwares set the booktype to DVD-ROM. It doesn't matter what burning software is used, the firmware will always set the booktype according to this description.

Right

Quote:

DL DVD-R does not exist yet outside the lab.

Right

Kennyshin · **Posted:** Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:59 am

I know people who have seen DVD-R DL outside lab. It means retail (or perhaps OEM first) release is close.

rugger · **Joined:** Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:22 am **Posts:** 38

ukendt wrote:

Quote:

The normal Pioneer firmware does sets the booktype to DVD+R for single layer DVD+R's

Wrong (but Piodatas does)

Read the sentence again. All DVD's have a booktype. The regular pioneer firmware sets the booktype for DVD+R disks to DVD+R (not DVD-ROM, like the piodata firmware)

ukendt · **Joined:** Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:04 pm **Posts:** 203

That's, of course, what I meant, I read too quick, sorry :oops:

(s*** happens)

Reality · **Joined:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:45 am **Posts:** 67

Does the Piodata firmware rip-lock the drive?

amdk6ii · **Joined:** Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:14 pm **Posts:** 10

Hey Nil, i know you said that you would do a patch for the XL model drives when the 108 fw was final...Im just wondering if your working on it now and if so when we could expect it....thanx

alexnoe · **Joined:** Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:34 pm **Posts:** 221

Quote:

Booktype Bitsetting is only for DVD+R disks

Right

NuTech and BTC drives can do something similar to DVD-R discs, though it seems to be a very indiviual interpretation of the DVD- specs...

chef · **Posted:** Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:50 am

amdk6ii wrote:

Hey Nil, i know you said that you would do a patch for the XL model drives when the 108 fw was final...Im just wondering if your working on it now and if so when we could expect it....thanx

You should check this new thread:
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?t=30658

Awesome work, >NIL:!

Master_Goo · **Posted:** Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:22 pm

Reality wrote:

Does the Piodata firmware rip-lock the drive?

Nope, still have to use either Gradius' or >NiL's Firmware!

dhc014 · **Joined:** Sun Sep 02, 2001 1:34 am **Posts:** 12030

I'm not even going to try to clean up this mess. There shouldn't be any replies on an FAQ thread anyways.

Toge, you can contact me if you want to update your original post on this thread.

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