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No, this is precisely why, especially in the Netherlands, you should NEVER EVER BUY +R media.

When some assh*le company like Philips (I'm sorry, but it's the only word that comes to mind when you see what they managed to do - corruption in the Netherlands gvt anyone?) uses Mafia tactics with the Neteherlands governement and overtly CONTINUES to try to DICTATE what the whole world should do according to how much money they can make out of it, the last thing you want to do is to support them buy buying +R media.

For exactly the reason your exposed above, you should buy -R media instead of +R.
And there's some more logic to it:
- Since your government added a "piracy" tax on -R and +R media, it logically means that you are entitled to pirate any media you want. Movie, games, audio... the choice is yours, as long as you copy them on recordable DVD media bought in the Netherlands. Logically, you have the right to do it, since you already paid the "piracy" tax. Else it wouldn't make much sense to have a piracy tax if you're not going to use it, would it? )
- As, because of this tax, you are going to pirate as much content as you can, but you probably still want to reward the authors of the content you are going to pirate (good content deserves to be rewarded, always), you probably want to go with the media with the higher tax. This way, (supposedly) the creators of the content you pirated get twice as much money for what you are pirating...

Let me repeat this:
IN THE NETHERLANDS, PHILIPS JUST GAVE YOU A LICENCE TO PIRATE BY FORCING THE GOVERNMENT TO ADD A PIRACY TAX, SO GO AHEAD, BUY -R MEDIA AND PIRATE!!!

Joke asside (but I'm only half joking here), I have absolutely no intention to add bitsetting to +R media if in the end it will help Philips sell more +R media in the Netherlands. I'd much rather see people buy the more expensive -R media and deprive Philips of its precious +R royalties money by NOT providing bitsetting!

I told you, I see no valid reason for me to add bitsetting to the DVR drives.

*claps*

Did this really happen or is it just an thought?
Depending on where you have bought the medias you don't have to pay extra taxes. This counts from any country within the EU, AFAIK.

For me Bitsetting is just a bad bad joke from PHILIPS & Co. to drop the -R/RW format under... What a pity. Their "politics" are

Got a 108. So far, I've burned a Verbatim DL at 4x and burning Verbatim 4x printable discs at 16x - so far so good, no errors have shown up and the discs all seem to play ok. 1 thing, they still take 7mins+ to burn??

Ever heard of Z-CLV?

The 108D only burn at 16x in the last 300 mo, most of the disc is written at 12x.

DO NOT burn at 16x - you get lots of errors and it's slower then 12x

as a matter of interest, I plugged in my new pioneer 108 drive, and tested
>NIL's beta1 firmware on it on a Princo 4x DVD-R .
I got better results than the test Emperor did on cdrinfo.com

The princo write test of Emperors seemed to max out at 8x for some reason.
My write test maxed at 12x for almost half of the write (averaged 9.66x)
not bad for a cheap 4x disc !

Heres the result pix (write test):
http://www.users.on.net/~effect/prin4x-nil's_b1.gif
The disc info:
http://www.users.on.net/~effect/princo-dvd-r_4x_a_grade_printable.gif
Transfer Rate Test (read test):
http://www.users.on.net/~effect/prin4x-nil's_b1r.gif

top work for a beta release >NIL: !!

Or more accurately, it is advised that you do not try to burn at 16x, as you might get more errors than 12x (if you burn more than 4.1 GB of data) and the total burn time might be slower than 12x due to the time lost in the last Z-CLV transition

Let's try to give the full picture people!

yeah, I actually meant to do the write at 12x, but realised this
(like a dumb

Since im new to this, Im not familiar with this software.
I did the cd speed: scandisc test, reported 0.00% damaged/unreadable
Is there a way to do a more in depth test on the disc I wrote?

>NIL: Are you planning on releasing a firmware that just does RPC-1 and 12xRIP?

The rip speed limitation is the main thing that drives me crazy

After reading this ... i can only reply with : WORD !

Also i would like to cancel my previous post about the bitsetting stuff. I can see clearly now why +R should be banned from my burners. Although i'm in the lucky position to live near Belgium and Germany (so cheap media available in abundance) I can't stand the way Philips forces its customers to buy +R media.

and secondly :


I think Pioneer reads this topic too often and they are just teasing you with another firmware .... So i will not expect a new patched firmware any time soon. I will have to order my DVR-108 this weekend tho.

>NILl:, will you be now working on the 1.10 or are you going to carry on the 1.06? i will quote you on the first post

First, if this sticky thread is meant to be turned into a DVR-108 FAQ, it's place will hardly be in the R/RW/RAM section which is clogged with stickies beyond recognition.

The information you gathered is great, but either it has to be temporary (meaning that the thread should be unstickied as soon as possible), or if it's meant to be permanent, somehow it has to end up in some separate FAQ section.

You will understand that we cannot afford to make a sticky for every new drive that comes out, however popular they are.
I think in the interim where we try to come up with a a proper FAQ section on this forum (but it's been about 1.5 years already) the best thing would be to make a sticky that links to unsticky thread like this one, and I think that's what I am going to do right now to address valid concerns exposed by TKM here

As to the question of what I'm gonna do next, and if & when I'm gonna do it, I'd rather not tell, because it's hard enough for me to know

Remember however that, as an experienced patcher, you can safely assume that I have a very good idea what you guys might want long before you ask for it (and I also know whenever a new firmware of interest is out), so there is not need to ask really.

You'll see what you get when you get what you get

I know the pioneer 108 works with zone clv the first 300 mb done at 6 speed then up to 46 percent at 8 speed then the switch to 12 speed forget about the 16 speed until decent disks come out is there no way NIL could hack the firmware so that the 12 speed write strategy could kick in at at say 30 percent of the disk and that would give a lot faster write time



cheers bighun

That's a good idea. But I haven't even released a patched firmware, so let's not rush into possible customization, especially if, as I suspect, it will rather degrade the burn and of course, I would need to release one firmware with this customization and another without to satisfy everybody.

Personally, unless I find myself with time on my hand (unlikely) I think I'll just pass. But I wouldn't mind other patchers to step in and try, because what this world bloody needs is more patchers!

Learn the assembly language people! It's not that hard, and it will allow you customize your hardware with all the features you want (and not have to rely on another patcher ) If you have an itch for performance, quality or just the "wow!" effect, scratch it!

nil where can you learn, would love to give this patching a go

nil could you point us in the right direction where to get the assemblers and disassemblers for reading and writing firmwares



cheers bighun

I flashed my pioneer dvr-108 with the offical firmware 1.10

When I use nero it only giving me a maximum burn speed of 4x???
I'm wondering if this is just an issue with nero?

Is it possible that I burned a disc yesterday at 8x and all of a sudden the drive doesn't like the blank media? I have matrix dvd-r's. The first one I used burned perfect. Now I when I load it into the drive the drop down menu in nero locks at 4x and doesn't give me any other options

dpeneds on the firmware you're using

nero will only burn what the drive tells it can burn on the disc

I am using the brand new 1.10 firmware

which assemby language does drives like the 108 use, and is there a dissasembler or some kind of tools for helping reverse engineer the firmware code?
Ive learnt 4 different assembly languages so far
- whats one more

You already gave us that info but no word about the media you have used and burnt before at 8x ...

nil, please, point some of us at the right direction

I need bitsetting on the 108 drive as Dual Layer is only avaliable in the +R format at the moment and I really want to burn DL.