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This just means you can use -R. Nobody forces you to choose and use Princo crap discs anyway.

Just my 2 cents here.

Go on-line, and buy all the high quality -R medias..... don't try to tell that you ar no t able to find some good media on the net...... i could not belive u.

Well, if I trust the opinion of many around here, you should refuse to buy a big batch of Princo regardless of whether there is any other media available.
Now, unless you live in the Netherlands, I would be very surprised if you couldn't find -R media that are as good as your beloved Verbatim for about the same price.
What's more, I think Flash's tests showed that -R burns have better quality in the 108 than +R (pretty much because the -R format is Pioneer's baby). Another good reason to chose -R over +R if you have a 108 drive and want to keep your data.

How naive are you to think the MPAA would ever place the retailer's interest above their own? Especially the interest of retailers from other countries. Allow me to get political, but when did the USA place the interests of other countries above their own recently?

The region scheme was ONLY introduced so that US movie studios could spend as much time as they liked advertising in each region, and squeeze as much as they could out of our pockets (avertise long enough and you will sell anything). Nothing more, nothing less.

ukendt, I'm starting to see where you come from. But can you really change the booktype of an already recorded +RW media? It's the first time I hear about changing booktype after content has been recorded.
What's more, even a copy paste of the Piodata bitsetting part in the standard 108 would not do for you, as you need to change the booktype after a media has been recorded, and AFAIK the Piodata simply forces -ROM on +R/RW media without any user input.
That would mean somebody would have to develop an utility and add a brand new command to the drive to do something like that. Very unlikely this would come from a patcher, even if he is willing to spend time on bitsetting.

As I told earlier, +R/RW users that want bitsetting should pressure Philips and Sony so that they ask the Mount Fuji commity to add a new bitsetting command in the next MCC/Mount Fuji specs or the +R recording specs. This is what should have happened in the first place were Philips and Sony really serious about having their consumer's interests at heart.

If you really want bitsetting, you SHOULD ask Sony and Philips to normalize it in the +R recording specifications!
It is the EASIEST and MOST LOGICAL way to ensure that ALL future +R recorders can change the booktype.

"It's Philips and Sony's mess. Let's make them clean it!"

Ok, Im sorry for asking this as Im sure it was answered (please dont flame me ), but in looking through many posts, I see some talking about it, then I read the readme for the patcher and I cant make sense of it...I bought the 108 and ritek G04 discs...can I burn these at 16x? someone said they burned perfectly at 16x, but then I see where it says that you should only burn at 12x...what is the final word...I think in the first post it says that G04 can burn perfectly at 16x and was wondering if the orig firmware allows this, or is it the >NIL: firmware that allows this, or neither? I will almost definitely use >NIL:'s patch just cuz I hate having restrictions on recording, but if someone could answer if the FINAL release allows 16x on G04 and if it is a "good" burn....these are the discs I bought...
http://store.yahoo.com/meritline/ritek- ... -bulk.html

are these good discs, or should I have bought something else?

To be perfectly honest, I don't like bitsetting. It messes up readback in other drives and I haven't had any problems with DVD+R disks in DVD players.

Official firmwares would you only allow to burn discs at their rated speeds, eg. Ritek G04 -R 4x rated at 4x.
>NIL: made firmwares that let you choose higher speeds >>> nx4all.
But you shouldn't overspeed too much cause it's a lil risk for the integrity of the data, media & the health of the burner. Speed-Overburning 4x G04 at 8x or 12x should be acceptable in most cases.
In the end, it's your decision how fast you wanna burn that media...

thank you chef for the info...

I'm a bit surprised You don't know the differrence between +R and +RW.
http://www.liteonit.com.tw/ODD/Zip/BookTypeManual_e.pdf

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There are so few requirements for bitsetting of DVD+R/RW over the use of DVD-R/RW that there is no point in asking >NIL: to do it. He has worked very hard to create the Patched write speed and has other firmwares to be working on.

I have seen all too many posts begging >NIL: to allow bitsetting. Please don't as it is filling the forum up with pages of pleas for a function that noone wants to implement. Ask by all means, but NO means "NO"!

We all know that the Pioneer 108 is probably the best DVD writer around and yes it would be nice to make it the best for everything but due to the work involved, it is not very nice to expect, demand and plea for a firmware patcher to do it. Ask the manufacturer who can probalby add it without any problem. Whilst you are at it, ask then to un-restrict rip speed and write speed, I know what their answer will be though.

If I had the knowledge, I would attempt it myself, just for fun, but it would take me too long to learn the ins-and-outs of patching. If you really need it that much then it may be worth learning patching and trying it yourselves. Sorry I cannot be of more help but I always use -R (except for testing!)

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How can you actually detect if the drive supports bitsetting?
DVDInfoPro? NERO?
Was just on Piodata.com website and couldn't really see any info on bitsetting on it's product data.

it's not mentioned but infact it does bitset automatically to DVD-ROM. Flashing the firmware to your drive and testing will show this to be true.

Without it mentioned, it really makes me wonder who the heck found out it does in fact bitset.

Do you mean that with the finished product (Burnt DVD) you can see that there's bitsetting on it

yes.

Ok.. sorry to be so lame but just one more post:



So where the Format Type is it'll display DVD-ROM right?

No, the format type is not the booktype.

Hmm.. alright so is this correct:



Where Book Type it's supposed to say DVD-ROM

Not for a DVD-R disc. Bitsetting is for DVD+R/RW/R DL only

Good Job Nil ...

i just wish there was one hacked firmware for the Pioneer DVR-A08XLA. I think i should have bought the oem one...

if i only knew..

Ive been rerading these forumns for over 2 years... I never really post... But this whole bitsetting crap has reallt got up my nose...

1. Christ how many times do people have to be told NIL wont be doing bitsetting...??

2. I completely agree with NIL on boycotting Phillips etc... They created the mess out of pure greed let them fix their mess.. I for one own the following..

1.Panasonic DVD standalone
2.Pansonic DVD recorder standalone
3.LG Standalone
4.Simga 8500 Monitsu DVD standalone
5.XBOX
6.PS2 (my only Sony Product)

None of MY DVD-Rs have ever failed to play in any of them be it video or data... I just cant see the " MUST " have of bitsetting...

3. And finally I like many on here rely on the generosity of patchers like NIL, the amount of time and money he has saved me over the years with his Firmwares... Quite simply you can put a dollar value on it....

ALL of them I got for FREE... There is sometimes a Free Lunch..

With that said ALL the pleading begging etc ... When someone who gives so much of his time to HELP us says NO, cant you just accept it ?? And MOVE ON..?? Give the guy a break... If I was in NILS shoes the more people asked about bitsetting the more Id be inclined to dig my heals in and say NO... I reckon if ANYONE can put up a good argument for bitsetting on the 108 (Im yet to read one for the masses) Im sure NIL would do it... And if it did exist it would have been posted by now....

BUT NIL you are wrong about the USA not caring about other countries!!! totally wrong !!!

Just look at Iraq... ALL done for the good of the IRAQI People...THE US cares... They may have changed their motives from Find WMD's to ousting Sadamm and whole bunch of other excuses... But I BOLDY predict they will find those PESKY WELL HIDDEN WMD's soon enough... After all they have had anough time to make some and export em and put them there NOW...

My 2c worth " brought to you by Sarcasm

PS Im an Aussie our Government was stupid enough to Join the the USA World Police....

Absolutely Wrong

When did we not!
I'm more than a little sick of all this America bashing. When you speak of The USA you are of course speaking of the American people not just a few Political leaders and who? what country? has been as generous as America? In time of need the charity of the American people has been outstanding. I don't see aid flowing our way when we have natural disasters here in the states. In case you didn't know 'aid' cost money. Money that comes by and large from the pockets of the American working class. Money that could be well spent on their own families. We are all not rich here in the states. Your statement is offensive and untrue!

And those that agree with you (without thinking I guess) are ignorant.

phil

Guys, this is going very OT now.

Please post eg. in "Anything you like" or by pm.

Thanks.

Right! I didn't join this forum to discuss politics.
I joined to get rid of consumers inhibitions, no matter whether they are from Sony, Philips or Pioneer.
I dislike CSS, I dislike region comtrol, I dislike OS forcing me to make a"choice".
I pay, as a consumer, for my OS and my drives and my dvds and for anything else: I don't want limitations of any kind.

No, I gave a very good argument (and I supported my argument like >Nil: always say we should do ). I have reason to believe >Nil: will not do it, ever, as he stated so.
On the other hand, Pioneer decided to make they own drives "bitsetted" as far as DL, in order to get more compatibility with the existing drives (do!) and they decided to start selling their own drives to a smaller company with another F/W allowing all +R and +RW being "bit setted" by default.(Piodata)
To my own eyes they did so to give consumers the possibility of getting
Pioneers drives with bit setting option. Pioneer reads our forum and maybe they also meant to say (supplying another F/W) their drives may be used widely as NEC drives do (thx to Herrie among others).
I don't think the +R story is going to disappear as little as the CSS story and the region control story. I'm afraid more limitations will be enhanced in future drives, no matter if we are talking HD DVD or Blue Ray.

Go tell that to the 1 MILLION Rwandese who died of Genocide ONLY 10 years ago. I'm talking about ACTUAL MASS DESTRUCTION HERE, not presumed weapons of.
Where the hell was the US police then? And I'm not talking about monetary help here either. I'm talking about preventing an ACTUAL GENOCIDE, that word all countries said never again to in 1945. This was not yet another humanitarian crisis, and this was not even a concealled Genocide!

Of course, it is the failure of ALL the countries, not just the US, but seeing the facility with which the US were able to ignore the UN to deploy troops in Irak, the failure of the US to protect the million people who died in Rwanda just 10 years ago is even more stinging. This is why I find it hard to beleive the US when they say they really have the interest of other countries at heart.
And, no, I am NOT referring to the American People, who I guess were left pretty much in the dark of what was going on in central Africa in 1994, I am referring to the American leaders, because the US have the ability to use a power which no other country in the world has, and, as such, they have an obligation to use it when (and only when) the situation calls for it. It's not even your usual Bush bashing, because I think Clinton was in power back then.

If you have a fire truck, and your neighbour house is burning, and nobody else is around, it is your duty to do what you can to put up that fire. Anything else is pure selfishness, especially if you're going to use that same fire truck 10 years later to go flood another house where there is no actual fire...

But [_chef_] is right, this is OT. If anybody wants to pursue this discussion, they can quote whatever they want and open a new thread in the "Anything you like section". That too long of an x08 thread should be closed soon anyway.

PS: I wouldn't have joined this forum if I couldn't discuss politics from time to time (DVD centric politics or wider), because there is a political issue to patching and using a patched firmware. It means that you are rejecting less than fair restrictions that are thrown upon you.
Using a patch is not just a convenience - it is also a political statement

http://www.piodata.com/new/products/med ... _media.asp

Any1 knows which kind of media they are?